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Nucklear
 
#601 2 mar 12, 17:07
#601 2 mar 12, 17:07
#600 Si, en realidad solo hace falta ver la ortografía de la gente que escribe en los blogs de esta gente o incluso la de Emotional...
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Emotional
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#602 2 mar 12, 17:07
#602 2 mar 12, 17:07
#599 Ya te dicho que no voy a volver a responder lo respondido. Tu estratagema de desviar tu retrato no va a cumplirse.

Y sigues siendo un ignorante.

Aun estas buscando informacion del 11 s y del 11 m que te lo aclare?

Hay por dios. Ya no es ser ignorantes, mas adjetivos te mereces.

#600 aqui el que no tiene la ESO eres tu, el tiempo nos ha dado la razon y aun asi las fieras lloran. Si es que telita xd.
#603 Mensaje ocultado por no cumplir las normas
 
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#604 2 mar 12, 17:11
#604 2 mar 12, 17:11
#602 La razon de que? la razon solo se obtiene cuando se presentan pruebas irrefutables, pruebas que obviamente no habeis aportado .
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Emotional
Emotional
 
#605 2 mar 12, 17:13
#605 2 mar 12, 17:13
#603 aburrir aburres tu, que te estoy diciendo que no te voy a responder otra vez lo mismo. Has quedado retratado y cada vez lo estaras mas.

El tiempo da la razon y pone en su sitio a cada uno de vosotros.

Y lo triste es que yo sere un tonto pero es que tu...

#604 oooOh que son para ti pruebas irrefutables? La version oficial del 11s para ti es una prueba irrefutable. Venga joder ni que estuvieras en el club de la comedia.
 
rusillo_
 
#606 2 mar 12, 17:16
#606 2 mar 12, 17:16
Ya podia ser la megaexclusiva el anuncio de Final Fantasy IX para PSV
 
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#607 2 mar 12, 17:17
#607 2 mar 12, 17:17
#605 El problema es que metes en el mismo saco a todo el mundo, teorias alternativas del 11s hay mil , especifica a cual te refieres, y a que pruebas concretas , lo facil es generalizar y darlo todo por hecho.
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#608 2 mar 12, 17:31
#608 2 mar 12, 17:31
#607 te lo especificado. El 11s ha sido un autoatentado con sus pruebas. Luego se buscan los motivos que hay muchos.

Madre mia, me hablas de teorias irrefutables y has pasado a generalizar y darlo todo por hecho... xddd

Sentimiento de victimismo a la hora de quedar retratado.

Ahora respondeme el 11s, para ti si es que es una prueba irrefutable en su version oficial dictaminada por el gobierno de USA?
 
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#609 2 mar 12, 17:35
#609 2 mar 12, 17:35
#608 No, no has especificado nada, te repito hay miles de teorias sobre lo que paso en el 11s, porque le tengo que dar mas credibilidad a una que a otra si todas me aportan 0 pruebas irrefutables? que tu te creas todo lo que lees , no es mi problema.

Si te sientes realizado, pensando que tienes informacion privilegiada, tu sabras , solo te digo que esa informacion esta disponible para todo el mundo, la unica diferencia entre tu y yo, es que tu las lees y te las crees al pie de la letra, yo las leo y busco informacion para constrastar la noticia, y como suele pasar en el 99% de los casos la teoria se derrumba a la que buscas un poco, se trata de coherencia .
 
mkkkl
 
mkkkl
 
#610 2 mar 12, 17:36
#610 2 mar 12, 17:36
¿Exclusiva mundial en 1 hora? ¿Es una trolleada o me he saltado algún post?
 
Nucklear
 
#611 2 mar 12, 17:37
#611 2 mar 12, 17:37
#605 Pues no respondas, ya me dejas claro de que pie cojeas. Con lo del retrato sigo sin saber de que hablas, ¿A caso sabes lo que opino políticamente?

#608 Te equivocas, vosotros buscáis un motivo probable que cree una duda y mas tarde colocáis las pruebas a vuestro parecer alrededor para dar consistencia a vuestra teoría.
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Emotional
Emotional
 
#612 2 mar 12, 17:57
#612 2 mar 12, 17:57
#609 Pero si tu te crees la version oficial xdd
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DeliAmber
 
#613 2 mar 12, 17:59
#613 2 mar 12, 17:59
Yo no se si emotional tiene razon o no, solo se que USA :

- lleva 100 años matando millones de personas en todo el mundo. Empezó con mexico para quitarle todo el norte de su pais y desde entonces no ha parado:
- Lleva mas de 100 años haciendo flase flags.
- Llega mas de 100 años engañando a todo mundo

#611 como os podeis creer cualquier cosa oficial que diga USA despues de leer lo de mas abajo.

YO de lo que estoy seguro es que el 11S fue algo que se les escapo de las manos, no queria que murieran 3000 personas, pero seguro que 100 o 200 es algo que no es problema para ellos, pero se les fue de las manos y cayeron miles.


After the American war of Independence (1776-1779), and an English challenge to that independence (1812-1814) no single nation has planned an offensive war against the USA. It is probable that a strong coalition of Anglo-French-led European nations planned to split the USA into two states through diplomatic recognition of the Confederate states possibly followed up by naval blockade embargoing the Union. At that time the British Empire was the strongest naval power, and the French the second strongest. The events led, however, into the Civil War (1860-1865) and due to the Russian intervention 1863 (1863) on the Union's side, those European plans were quietly abandoned.

Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.

World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations.

The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil.

The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbor these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service.

The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration.

Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both had served in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the southwest. These commanders have yet to be rehabilited by the Pentagon.

Korean War, 1950-1953:
South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.

Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.

The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.

Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam in 1975.

Grenada invasion: The Grenadian leader, Maurice Bishop, favouring the left and having invited Cubans to help build the infrastructure including by extending the airport to accomodate long range Soviet aircraft, was deposed and executed in October 19, 1983. Six days later the US invaded, with the proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.

War on Drugs: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June 17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around 1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully negotiated some 1000s of guerrilla fighters back into the society and out of jungle.

This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets. This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.

Panama invasion: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter administration plan to hand control of the canal over to Panama was cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just thinking in the US global domination policy.

US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.

After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.

The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.

Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait.

War on Terror: The war was launched by Bush administration October 2001. The war was claimed to be the response on terrorism, especially the 9-11 incidents. Most of the people in the world today know that these reasons are false and that those events were based on MIH type (make it happen) inside job.

Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-: Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack.

Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-: later known with less irony as Operation Iraqi Freedom The claimed reason of the attack was that Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US with wmd's available within less than an hour after the decision to assemble them has been made. Since no wmd's were found, and after the Iraqi also scrapped some 800 long range Scud style missiles before the US coalition attack, the reason for the invasion was changed into "bringing the democracy into Iraq".
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MORUSATO
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#614 2 mar 12, 18:05
#614 2 mar 12, 18:05
#613 Me estaba currando un post del estilo, gracias me has ahorrado trabajo, ahora seguiran con la misma mierda de que no hay pruebas, mientras yo me peto el ojal de las estupideces que tengo que oir aqui.

No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver, y en el mundo de los ciegos el tuerto es el rey.

Al dedillo oiga.
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ManOwaR
 
ManOwaR
 
#615 2 mar 12, 18:08
#615 2 mar 12, 18:08
Pero este tema d q va? El live no es para estos tochoposts hablando d otras cosas q nada tienen q ver ahora mismo.
 
Nucklear
 
#616 2 mar 12, 18:08
#616 2 mar 12, 18:08
#613 Yo no he dicho que me crea la versión de EEUU en ningún momento, eso lo estais presuponiendo vosotros.

Lo que pasa es que no tengo pruebas válidas de lo contrario y sin pruebas no voy a inventarme una teoría alrededor de lo que "yo crea que pasó".

Creo que no es muy difícil de entender...

Como tu dices:

"Yo no se si emotional tiene razon o no, solo se que USA..."

Y con esa introducción típica suelen empezar a contarte la mayoría de conspiraciones.

Como X hizo Y, ¿como no va a poder hacer Z?

PD: Es bueno poner fuentes de los datos.
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#617 2 mar 12, 18:11
#617 2 mar 12, 18:11
#616 PD: Es bueno poner fuentes de los datos.


¿Fuente? te vendria bien estudiar algo de historia, luego es Emotional el que no tiene la ESO XDDD yo es que me parto.

Fuente: Libro de Historia Editorial Santillana, E.S.O.


Que curioso como reaccionan los programados cuando les hacen un monster kill sin saber que decir XDD
 
DeliAmber
 
#618 2 mar 12, 18:12
#618 2 mar 12, 18:12
#616 fuentes: libros de historia de la EGB y BUP (Es lo que yo estudie)
 
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#619 2 mar 12, 18:12
#619 2 mar 12, 18:12
#612 Bueno eso lo dices tu, buscame un post donde lo diga yo... lo unico que digo, es que ni me lo creo ni me lo dejo de creer, simplemente no tengo pruebas para afirmarlo categoricamente, como haces tu, ni mucho menos me creo con la superioridad moral de llamar al resto ignorante porque no apoye mi posicion respecto a una TEORIA en concreto, yo no dispongo de la verdad absoluta, tu tampoco, el problema es que tu crees que si.
 
R4
 
R4
 
#620 2 mar 12, 18:15
#620 2 mar 12, 18:15
cual es la supernoticia?
 
SkalS
 
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#621 2 mar 12, 18:17
#621 2 mar 12, 18:17
¿Alguien que diga cual es la noticia?
 
Nucklear
 
#622 2 mar 12, 18:18
#622 2 mar 12, 18:18
#617 #618 ¿Estaréis de coña no? Cuando se pone un texto se pone fuente, no es para ir a la fuente a informarme.

Conozco de sobra todos esos casos.
 
Nucklear
 
#623 2 mar 12, 18:20
#623 2 mar 12, 18:20
#615 #620 #621 Llegais tarde, el post tiene ese título desde hace varios días. Teneis los emails que van sacando en:

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/releas.../2012-02-27.html
 
DeliAmber
 
#624 2 mar 12, 18:29
#624 2 mar 12, 18:29
me teneis que apoyar aqui:

http://www.mediavida.com/foro/4/qui...diavida-437176/5

NEcesitamos un foro de conspiraciones para hablar de estas cosas, sería de lejos el foro mas interesante de MV y tendriamos los temas mucho mas ordenados que al final siempre se pierde la info y volvemos a hablar de lo mismo #622 #617 #612 #619
 
PuNTo
 
PuNTo
 
#625 2 mar 12, 18:36
#625 2 mar 12, 18:36
Me voy a ir a dormir, que es viernes y da pereza buscar... pero por ahí se comentaba que las torres gemelas, tenían organismos oficiales.. y que casualmente ese día nadie trabajaba.
¿ Acaso murio alguien medianamente conocido en las Torres ? Por favor, defender a un país que no tiene historia, que se la va creando a base de terrorismo puro y duro es de ser estulto.

ahora a tirar de diccionario antes de sentirse ofendidos. Qué triste es hacerse el inteligente por internet.

Recordar una cosa, todos y cada uno de nosotros, unos mejores en una materia, otros peores en otras, solo somos escoria. Para EEUU, para ESPAÑA, para UE.
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granaino127
 
#626 2 mar 12, 20:26
#626 2 mar 12, 20:26
#600 No, la mayoría de los conspiraionistas radicales que rozan lo absurdo si tienen la ESO es todo lo mas y no suelen tener ni idea de idiomas.. Y suele ser muy común que vivan con sus padres sin dar palo al agua sin estudiar ni un mísero modulo que te lo sacas nada mas que con ir... Es común entre estos iluminados que se sienten especiales en internet ya que fuera son lastres con pocas aspiraciones.

Darles bola lo único que hace es que se sientan mas especiales... Cuando tengan que buscarse las habichuelas a ver si les sirven sus hipótesis victimistas para comer...

Los radicalismos y la estupidez van de la mano normalmente... Y no estoy en contra de la información y de suponer y investigar y blabla, estoy en contra de los radicalismos nazis de palo en los que solo si crees cualquier cosa contraria estas en lo acertado y si no eres un ignorante, por mucha mas cultura que puedas tener..
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CHiCoMaRTiNi
 
#627 2 mar 12, 20:37
#627 2 mar 12, 20:37
USA nacio con buenos propositos pr se fue corrompiendo con la llegada de los bancos, estos compraban a los politicos a su antojo, los gracioso es que seguian siendo dominados por inglaterra en la sombra ya que los que controlaban el banco de inglaterra, eran los que controlaban el banco de america...
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#628 2 mar 12, 20:38
#628 2 mar 12, 20:38
#626

Pese a que ni emotional ni morusato son santo de mi devoción, tengo que decir, que cada puto post nuevo que te leo, hace que me caigas peor que ellos.
 
Gu3v4r4
 
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#629 2 mar 12, 20:39
#629 2 mar 12, 20:39
#628 erdogis
 
doogie780
 
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#630 2 mar 12, 20:40
#630 2 mar 12, 20:40
#629

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