Las conversaciones de los prorusos que derribaron el avión de Malaysian

Contractor

Acojonante.

Abro post aparte del de la Neo guerra fría por lo interesante del tema.

RPV: a los prorusos en Ucrania les dan un sistema antiaéreo de misiles BUK, y como si se lo dan a un puto mono borracho.

Esto que sale a la luz son llamadas interceptadas a uno de los líderes rusos, y están incorporadas en el juicio por el derribo del avión.

Around the same time, someone in Snizhne is filming the Buk driving south, in the direction of Pervomaysk, on its own. According to the JIT report, "at 2:07 p.m., Kharchenko orders Sharpov temporarily to guard 'the vehicle', and then goes to meet Gilazov (another rebel) at Furshet supermarket himself."

At that point, Dubinsky is in Donetsk, on the phone talking to other commanders about operations at other locations on the front. At 4:19 p.m., a missile is launched from the field near Snizhne. A little under a minute later, it explodes next to the cockpit of flight MH17. Not long after that, reports appear on social media about a missile and explosions.

Nearly half an hour later, Kharchenko reports to Dubinsky that they have downed a Ukrainian combat aircraft: "We are on the spot. We have already brought down a 'Sushka'. Dubinsky: "Well done, big guys! A 'Sushka'! Well done." But Dubinsky's thoughts are elsewhere, and he immediately switches to what is bothering him: "Lonya, tell me, have I ever done any fucking thing to hurt you? Fuck!"

Dubinsky is furious about a bunch of armed men outside his door: "I don't know why I myself or my security haven't gunned them down, what a cock-up!" Once he is done raging, he orders Kharchenko to return to Donetsk: "You leave a battalion behind to guard the Buk, and then you will probably come this way. ( ) and Gyurza will come this way too. I'll call you right back." Kharchenko: "Understood, sir."

Less than 30 minutes later, the two men have further contact. Kharchenko reports artillery bombardments near Marinovka. "Did you put the Buk well in place? Will it not be shot to pieces?" Dubinsky wants to know. "No, they can't reach it. We are out of their reach anyway."

An hour later, Dubinsky calls a unit in the northern area controlled by the separatists. Botsman: "A place has been downed here near me. I'm on my way to the boxes now." Dubinsky has no idea what Botsman is talking about and repeats Kharchenko's claim that they have downed a Ukrainian combat aircraft. "We have now also brought down an aircraft, a Sushka", says Dubinsky. "The enemy is trying to break through", but "thank god, the BUK-M arrived this morning, so it's easier now."

He also expects support from Russia. The Ukrainian army is close to the Russian border and is striking at the separatists in Marinovka from that position. "Now we wait for the Russians who should be firing at their position from that end."

Two hours later, Dubinsky still does not know what has really happened. That becomes clear from a conversation with someone who indicates that he is being bombarded by journalists with questions about a downed Boeing.

John Doe: "I am getting calls from journalists telling me that a Boeing has been shot south of Donetsk." Dubinsky: "Is there a fight going on?" (Dubinsky probably mistakes 'Boeing' for 'boj', the Russian word for fight) John Doe: "Boeing! There's been a plane crash." Dubinsky: "Ah, our people have brought one down over Savur-Mohyla, near Marinovka, our people have brought down a 'Sushka'."

It still hasn't dawned on the commander of the whole operation that, two hours earlier, flight MH17 was downed, with 298 casualties. Shortly thereafter, he gets a phone call from the assistant to Girkin, the Minister of Defence, ordering him to report immediately. On his way to the meeting, he calls his girlfriend, who is cooking dinner. He can't make it. "It's boring with daddy not there, isn't it?"

After the tête-a-tête at Girkin's office, Dubinsky is suddenly worried about what has transpired. Around 8:00 p.m., he calls his deputy Pulatov. He wants to have clarity about who has shot what. Dubinsky: "Tell me, did or did not our BUK fire?" Pulatov: "The Buk has brought down a 'Sushka'." Dubinsky: "So..." Pulatov: "But before that, the 'Sushka' downed the Boeing. They tried to blame us for that."

Dubinsky: "So that 'Sushka' blew it to pieces, right?" Pulatov: "Yes, yes, yes." Dubinsky: "Understood. Did you see that, were you observing that?" Pulatov: "They observed that from the ground." ( ) Pulatov: "The 'Sushka' hit the Boeing. They saw that from Snezhnoye. After that, the 'Sushka' carried on, and the Buk blew it to shreds."

Two minutes later, Dubinsky repeats this story to his boss, Igor Girkin. The Minister of Defence of the separatists, addressed by Dubinsky by call sign Number One. Dubinsky: "So, here's what happened. A 'Sushka' hit a fucking Boeing. After that, the 'Sushka', as it was on its second round, was brought down by our BUK. And lots and lots of our people saw that. Gyurza just reported that."

Girkin: "Ah, so that's what happened. Understood." Dubinsky: "The 'Sushka' blew the Boeing to pieces, and our people blew the Sushka to pieces." Girkin: "Aha." Dubinsky: "That's good news, isn't it?" Girkin: "Well, I'm not sure. I don't think so, really." Dubinsky: "Well, they are going to blame us anyway, for blowing that thing to pieces."

Not much later, Pulatov and Kharchenko both call from the MH17 crash site. Dubinsky himself now also seems to question the story that his subordinates have reported to him. When Kharchenko calls from the crash site asking if they should give the OSCE access, Dubinsky also asks him who has downed the Boeing: "You did observe that it was brought down by a 'Sushka', or was it ours after all?"

Kharchenko "Not ours, Nikolayevich, not ours." Dubinsky: "So a 'Sushka' then? And then after that, the 'Sushka' brought down by our Buk, right?" Kharchenko: "Yes, first there was a bang up there, and then there was our bang."

It was a Ukrainian combat aircraft; that's also what the separatists keep telling each other. They lay the foundation for the story that, a few days later, will also be officially embraced by the Russian Ministry of Defence. It will soon become clear that the evidence submitted by the Ministry in that respect is false. Russia will later switch to a different theory: flight MH17 has not been downed by the separatists, but by a Buk from the Ukrainian army.

At 8:30 p.m., five hours after flight MH17, Dubinsky calls Girkin. The Minister instructs him to take the 'box' to the border with the neighbouring Lugansk region. Dubinsky and his men control a large part of the Donetsk region, but the only route to Russia leads through the Lugansk region, which is controlled by other rebel forces.

Meanwhile, Kharchenko reports that the 'box' has left the launch site on its own and is headed for Snizhne. A town not far from the launch site. At 10:30 p.m. he calls Dubinsky again. Kharchenko: "Where does it go, where should I escort it to?" Dubinsky: "Up to the border with the Lugansk region." Kharchenko: "Aha." Dubinsky: "And then that's it. Clear?"

But 45 minutes later, the Buk is still in Snizhne, at less than 10 km from the original launch site: "They don't know the way, nobody knows anything."

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benjaZUx

por una pelea así derribaron el avión

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Albertsson

Lo que no entiendo es a que viene el comentario, que si que es una mezcla de idiomas, pero coño inglés no es tan complicado teniendo unas nociones básicas ademas que vendrá gente a comentarlo y debatirlo.

En serio es que el comentario deja mucho que desear.

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Contractor

#7 es una investigación de un sitio de noticias holandés (muchísimos holandeses fallecieron, el avión salió de Amsterdam, el juicio es en Holanda), con conversaciones intervenidas a rusos (los que derribaron el avión) y traducido al inglés para que se entienda en todo el mundo.

Ya le he reportado.

cabron

lo triste es que no vaya a tener nunca consecuencias para las culpables ni para Rusia por intentar encubrir que era culpa suya y que vetó en la ONU que se crease un tribunal para juzgar a los culpables

Y aquí en mv había basuras humanas que defendían la versión rusa y que los prorusos no habían sido.

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Dieter

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hailttthief

Pues sí, el nivel de los mandos intermedios de los ruskys al nivel de los follacabras. Eso sí, el timing de que salga esto a la luz con el invierno calentito Rusia-OTAN hace toda info algo sospechosa

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Contractor

#12 realmente es de abril, pero acabo de verlo.

Soy_ZdRaVo

#12 es de hace casi 1 año xd

jazcona

Muy interesante la verdad... le seguiré la pista

HammelSF

#2 Es lo que tiene aprender idiomas útiles, que sirven para comunicarte con gente que de otra forma no podrías.

allmy

Nunca entendí que te vuelven un avión comercial, y no sea un casus belli como una casa de grande.
El presidente de Holanda tenía que haber llamado a la OTAN, y la guerra en Ukrania tenía que haber acabado el día siguiente con un gran crater en Lugansk.

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GaN2

#17 Ni tu ni nadie, ya lo puse en el hilo de Guerra Fria.

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HammelSF

#17 Como curiosidad, los americanos se cargaron un avión comercial en los 80 de un misilazo tambien. 290 muertos

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuelo_655_de_Iran_Air

Todo se cerró con una indemnización de $68M a las victimas.

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allmy

#19 Me parece increible que no se juzgara a nadie. Son militares y lo que quieras, pero no puedes derribar un avión civil. Ni por error.

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LucianESP

#2 Mucho "esto es España" pero ni el imperativo usas, desgraciado. Aplícate el cuento.

HammelSF

#20 Para colmo recibieron medallas por su servicio durante ese periodo xD

https://apnews.com/article/fd61c6f19690534cff58995092cbe885

Reagan los defendió ante la ONU diciendo que actuaron correctamente de acuerdo a las circunstancias, y echó parte de la culpa a Irán por dejar volar un avión comercial en una zona de guerra.

Las indemnizaciones las pagaron 8 años más tarde debido a que Iran llevó el caso a la Haya.

BrKnChaiN

#19 Y la URSS un avión surcoreano, Iran hace no mucho derribó un avión ucraniano también y Corea del Norte puso una bomba en un avión surcoreano. Y hay más en los últimos 80 años. Es una linea que jamás debería permitirse cruzar

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