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[Borrado] #6721 Ene '11

sin bl, gl

gran dicho

RubaPowa #6722 Ene '11 Pandástico

Acaban de matar totalmente al shaman resto .

Imperium #6723 Ene '11

Si vamos, matar al shaman resto xd. Actualmente es el mejor healer de lejos, encima tiene unas mecanicas absurdas.
Cualquier config va mejor con shaman que con cualquier otro heal excepto RMP y alguna mas.

RubaPowa #6724 Ene '11 Pandástico

Pero vosotros cuando decis las cosas de donde cojones sacais las conclusiones?Llevais unas paginitas que practicamente da la sensacion que este foro se esta convirtiendo en el foro de wow europe ...

Sin bl el shaman resto no vale para tomar por culo cuando tiene que aguantar un burst , para eso llevas un pala que te hace casi la misma funcion y te esta metiendo freedoms.

PD : Obviamente estoy hablando del 3on3 , el 2on2 no vale para nada.

hyteric #6725 Ene '11

Sin sentido quitar el BL xD

Tukaram-Man #6726 Ene '11 Inocente

Si, es un sinsentido. Ahora tendreis que jugar como personas normales y no jugarselo todo al primer burst.

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hyteric #6727 Ene '11

#6726 Ah si, ahora los shamys heal se lo jugarán todo al primer BURST HEALING , es una buena opcion....

Al elemental ya le acaban de hundir en la miseria xD

Tukaram-Man #6728 Ene '11 Inocente

Aaah...cierto, es verdad, el heroismo solo afecta al chaman que lo lanza...que cabeza la mia..

Oh wait.

zdK #6729 Ene '11

Y encima ningún cambio más y posible nerf al purge como ya lo dijeron hace unos días...

hyteric #6730 Ene '11

¿? Ah jajaja, que es mas descojonante todavia, me estas diciendo que el BL en arena para los dps que van con shamy heal es util? contra un grupo con dos dedos y dispel, les dura 2 segundos el BL a las clases que hacen daño con él.

Que llores del BL si que manda huevos... una skill que tiene el shamy desde hace mil años y que nunca nadie se ha quejado..

DeTeX #6731 Ene '11

Me gustan los cambios al huntard...

Phylosopher #6732 Ene '11

•Ring of Frost: Radius shrunk to 8 yards, and inner "safe" radius is now 4.7 yards (exactly matching graphic). Dispelling the effect of Ring of Frost will now make the target immune to being refrozen for 3 seconds. If a second Ring of Frost is cast by the same mage while the first is still active (via Cold Snap), the first will now disappear and cease functioning.

Ahi esta el aclamado nerf al ring of frost, eah, a disfrutarlo.

L4Nc3l0t #6733 Ene '11

Lo del BL me parece una salvajada.. confio en que lo supriman, porque si no, me parece una aberración.

Imperium #6734 Ene '11

#6724

Hex cada 30 sec (nosense)
Earthshield sigue contando como 8 buffs, despues de nerfear todos los debuff/buff stackeables ademas de hacer un heal demasiado alto.
Tremor despues de haber quitado todos los dispels over time.
Dispel de curses + magic + heal.
BL
Grounding 14s + shock 6s + tremor, el healer menos cceable.

Si nerfean esto, al druid otros tantos nerfs, al pala bajarle el HPS que hace con el angel (dandoles un sacrifice phisical) y los buffs que le ponen al priest y los que espero/supongo que le pondran, creo que tendriamos los healers "balanceados", los dps ya es otra historia.

RubaPowa #6735 Ene '11 Pandástico

#6730

Normalmente se tira el bl cuando se crea un poco de presion o al empezar la arena (cuando estan todos las magics) y el dispeler no puede permitirse el lujazo de estar dispeleando a todo el mundo, si lo tiras sin presion pues obviamente te lo van a dispelear sin despeinarse.

El bl es una brutalidad para los dps en cualquier setups pero siendo yo siendo resto lo veo como una necesidad , sin bl dudo que pueda aguantar 2 tios mas alla de la ns y el escudo del stoneclaw ...

#6734

Pues lo que digo , propias conclusiones. El healer menos cceable , eso no te lo niego. Pero en cuanto tienes a 2 monos encima o 2 caster reventandote la boca de poco te vale , el shaman solo se cura casteandose , el riptide cura una puta mierda y la cura del dispel ni cuenta.

Vora #6736 Ene '11

Absurdos los cambios, al warrior, le bufan el damage, porque lo que lo que yo entiendo es que en cuanto pegues tres mortals, todos tus executes, mortals, overpowers y slams pegan un 30% más.

Totalmente sin sentido lo de las cargas, ahora solo habrá que pasarse a berseker para tirarse recklesness, por que el intercept no servirá, en mi opinión el uso de la movilidad es lo que diferenciaba a los warriors, que lo dejen como estaba y se lleven su puto heroic leap a la cueva, que encima tiene 1000 bugs, se acabó el charge/intercept al focus, ahora todo será tunnel -> tunnel -> será imposible lidiar contra magos.

Nos ponen como en la TBC pero ahroa los druidas de meten roots instants, los chamis tb te rootean y encima nuestro snare es el peor con diferencia.

Lo peor es que esto no soluciona el problema de burst del warrior, que es lo que necesitaba un arreglo, están haciendo 1000 cambios con tal de no tocar el puto colossus de los huevos.

hyteric #6737 Ene '11

#6735 Pues eso estoy defendiendo yo, él dijo que ''Nos lo jugabamos todo al primer burst'' , y no, al menos los decentes no, es mejor usarlo en el momento adecuado, y eso puede ser a los 3 minutos de arena = NO el primer burst.

Lo de tirarlo al principio con todas las magics depende de la setup que jueges, si juegas con warrior y druida por ejemplo... tienes muy poco..

SnAk0 #6738 Ene '11 Cofrade

como salgan los nerfs del warrior adelante, no creo que duren mucho los edificios de blizzard en pie xDDD

aButreCa #6739 Ene '11 Taiwanés

toma mi mago frost va a seguir over!

ManOwaR #6740 Ene '11 Cofrade

Tranquis, poco a poco van saliendo más cambios.

* Charge now shares diminishing returns with stun effects.
* Cleave damage has been reduced by 20%.
* Heroic Strike damage has been reduced by 20%.

Fury

* Unshackled Fury (Mastery) now grants 5.6% benefit per mastery point, up from 4.7%.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Rapid Charge has been changed from a 7% reduction to Charge's cooldown, to 1 second off of the cooldown. This change is primarily to clarify the exact cooldown reduction this glyph provides.

Como dice #6736 la están cagando. Van tocando cosas que no deberían tocar para dejar el Colossus como está.

Aunque como toquen el Colossus ahora también (los cambios van saliendo a cuentagotas) entonces sí que se cargan al warrior xD

Patch notes oficiales:

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General

* Many tooltips have been updated to reflect any changes made via recent hotfixes.
* The guild reward Armadillo Pup now requires revered faction instead of exalted.

PvP
Arenas

* Bloodlust, Heroism, Time Warp and Ancient Hysteria can no longer be cast while in Arenas.

Battlegrounds
The Battle for Gilneas

* The time it takes to capture a flag has been reduced to 5 seconds, down from 8.

Strand of the Ancients

* The damage done by Antipersonnel Cannons has been doubled.
* The missile speed of Rocket Blast (Antipersonnel Cannons) has been increased by roughly 50%.
* Some Antipersonnel Cannons could shoot the platform they were spawned on. These spawn locations have been fixed.
* The Battleground Demolisher no longer has two additional seats and now only has room for the driver.
* A PvP duration flag has been added to Battleground Demolishers. This should make it so crowd control effects cast on unmanned demolishers does not last an extended amount of time.
* There should no longer be a discrepancy in time when the Battleground Demolishers spawn at the start of each round.
* The Battleground Demolishers spawned on the docks no longer despawn when the north graveyard is taken by the offense.
* Massive Seaforium Charges should now be useable in rated Battleground matches.
* The duration of the Teleport debuff has been lowered to 10 seconds, down from 20.
* The radius of the Seaforium Blast has been lowered to 10 yards, down from 20.

Races

* The draenei racial trait Gift of the Naaru now heals 20% of the target's health over 15 seconds, rather than a scaling value.
* The dwarven racial trait Stoneform now reduces all damage taken by 10%, rather than increasing armor by 10%. It also increases the dwarf's size when used.
* The gnomish racial trait Escape Artist now has a 1.5-minute cooldown, down from 1.75.
* The human racial trait Every Man for Himself has been reverted back to a 2-minute cooldown, down from 3 minutes.
* The night elf racial trait Shadowmeld can now be used while shapeshifted.
* The tauren racial trait War Stomp can now be used while shapeshifted.
* The worgen racial trait Darkflight now has a 2-minute cooldown, down from 3, and is no longer on the global cooldown. In addition, the movement speed bonus now stacks with existing bonuses, but cannot be activated while Sprint or Dash is active (and they cannot be activated while Darkflight is active).

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Icebound Fortitude now breaks stuns when used, in addition to providing immunity to them.
* Necrotic Strike's absorption effect is now reduced by the target's resilience.

Talent Specializations
Blood

* Crimson Scourge has been redesigned slightly. Instead of a 50/100% chance to make the next Blood Boil free when Plague Strike is used on a target with Blood Plague, the talent now gives a 5/10% chance to provide a free Blood Boil when the death knight lands any melee attack on a Blood Plagued target.
* Will of the Necropolis no longer refunds a Blood Rune when it resets Rune Tap's cooldown. Instead it makes the next Rune Tap free while Will of the Necropolis is active.

Frost

* Howling Blast now deals 40% less damage to all targets other than the primary target of the spell.
* Might of the Frozen Wastes now also increases all melee damage by 4/8/12% while wielding a two-handed weapon.

Unholy

* Desecration is now also triggered by Necrotic Strike.
* Runic Corruption procs while the aura is already active now add 3 seconds to the existing aura duration, instead of simply refreshing/overwriting the existing aura.
* Unholy Might (passive) has been reduced to a 5% Strength increase, down from 10%.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Death's Embrace no longer refunds Runic Power when self-healing via Lichborne.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Barkskin is no longer dispellable.
* Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3.
* Lacerate damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
* Mangle (Bear Form) weapon damage (at level 80+) has been reduced to 235%, down from 300%.
* Mangle (Cat Form) weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 460%, up from 360%.
* Maul damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
* Mount Up: This guild perk now applies to Flight Form and Swift Flight Form as well.
* Nourish is now trained at level 8, down from level 78.
* Omen of Clarity can no longer trigger from helpful spells (aka heals), unless the Restoration talent Malfurion's Gift is chosen.
* Rake damage has been reduced by 10%.
* Rejuvenation is now trained at level 3, down from level 8. In addition, its mana cost has been reduced from 26% to 16%.
* Rip damage has been reduced by 10%.
* Shred weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 450%, up from 350%.

Talent Specializations
Balance

* The Shooting Stars buff duration has been increased to 12 seconds, up from 8 seconds.
* Wild Mushroom is now instant cast, down from 0.5 seconds. In addition, the radius of detonation has been increased to 6 yards, up from 3, and damage done increased by 15%.

Feral

* Berserk (instant Mangle proc) now has a new Spell Alert identifier. In addition, Berserk no longer breaks Fear or makes the druid immune to Fear.
* Pulverize weapon damage percent has been reduced to 80%, down from 100%.

Restoration

* Empowered Touch now also affects Regrowth.
* Nature's Bounty no longer affects Swiftmend, but now has a new effect. When the druid has Rejuvenation on 3 or more targets, the cast time of Nourish is reduced by 10/20/30%.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Regrowth now causes the heal-over-time effect to refresh itself on targets at or below 50% health, up from 25%.
* Glyph of Wrath now increases damage done by Wrath by 10% and no longer requires Insect Swarm on the target.

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Aimed Shot! weapon damage has been increased to 200%.
* Aspect of the Wild, Aspect of the Hawk, and Aspect of the Fox can now be cast while mounted.
* Deterrence now provides 100% chance for melee attacks to miss instead of 100% parry chance. This means that attacks that cannot be parried, notably some rogue abilities, can now be prevented by Deterrence, and the hunter will gain the benefit of Deterrence even if disarmed.
* Dust Cloud's cooldown and duration have been modified to make it closer aligned with Tailspin (same effect, different pet).
* Kill Command's damage has been increased by 20%.
* Kill Shot's attack power scaling has been increased by 50%.
* Master's Call now has a 35-second cooldown, down from 1 minute. In addition, the visual effect is more obvious.

Talent Specializations
Marksmanship

* Chimera Shot's attack power scaling has been increased by 20%.

Survival

* Into the Wilderness (passive) has been reduced to a 10% Agility increase, down from 15%.

Pets

* Pets now have 70% of the master's armor, rather than a different value based on which type of pet they are.
* Shale Spiders now correctly have a special ability (Web Wrap).
* Bad Manner (monkey) now properly breaks from damage.

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Flame Orb now ignores critters.
* The mana costs of Arcane Brilliance and Dalaran Brilliance have been reduced by approximately 16%, making them roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
* Ring of Frost: Radius shrunk to 8 yards, and inner "safe" radius is now 4.7 yards (exactly matching graphic). Dispelling the effect of Ring of Frost will now make the target immune to being refrozen for 3 seconds. If a second Ring of Frost is cast by the same mage while the first is still active (via Cold Snap), the first will now disappear and cease functioning.

Bug Fixes

* Ring of Frost can now be cast, and works properly, on transports (this includes elevators, trapdoors, etc.).

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* The mana costs of Blessing of Might and Blessing of Kings have been increased by approximately 217%, making them roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
* Crusader Strike weapon damage percent has been increased to 135%, up from 115%.
* Divine Plea now lasts for 9 seconds, down from 15. It grants 4% mana per tick, instead of 2%, for a total of 12% mana, up from 10%.

Talent Specializations
Retribution

* Divine Purpose: The chance for applicable abilities to generate Holy Power has been reduced to 7/15%, down from 20/40%, but instead of generating 1 Holy Power, the next applicable ability used consumes no Holy Power and acts as if the paladin has 3 Holy Power.
* Hand of Light (Mastery): A percentage of the damage done by Templar's Verdict, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm is done as additional Holy damage.
* Repentance is no longer broken from damage done by Censure (Seal of Truth).

Glyphs

* Glyph of Divine Plea now adds 6% mana, for a total of 18% over 9 seconds.

Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* The duration of Levitate has been increased to 10 minutes, up from 2.
* The mana cost of Power Word: Fortitude has been reduced by approximately 68%, making it roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
* The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31%, but its effect has been increased by 208%.
* The mana cost of Renew has been reduced by 24%.
* The mana cost of Shadow Protection has been reduced by approximately 65%, making it roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.

Talent Specializations
Discipline

* Focused Will now procs when the priest is critically hit, in addition to its current effect.
* Improved Power Word: Shield now also increases the amount absorbed by an additional 15/30% when cast on oneself.
* Pain Suppression is no longer dispellable.

Holy

* Blessed Resilience will now proc when the priest is critically hit, in addition to its current effect.
* Chakra states now last 1 minute, up from 30 seconds.
* Desperate Prayer now heals the priest for 30% of their total health, up from a very subpar value.
* Holy Concentration now increases the amount of mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by an additional 15/30%, down from 20/40%.
* Holy Word: Chastise now has a 30-second cooldown, up from 25. In addition, it properly breaks from damage.
* Lightwell's health has been increased by 50% (for PvP purposes).
* Serendipity now has Spell Alert and Floating Combat Text feedback support.
* Surge of Light can now also proc from Flash Heal and Greater Heal, and can now also critically hit.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Mind Flay no longer requires Shadow Word: Pain to be on the target.
* Glyph of Pain Suppression has been renamed Glyph of Desperation and now allows Guardian Spirit to be cast while stunned, in addition to Pain Suppression.
* Glyph of Psychic Horror now reduces the cooldown of Psychic Horror by 30 seconds, down from 60.
* Glyph of Spirit of Redemption has been converted into Glyph of Prayer of Mending, which increases the healing done by the first charge of Prayer of Mending by 60%.

Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Combat Readiness now lasts for 20 seconds, down from 30 seconds, but the Combat Insight stacking buff lasts 10 seconds, up from 6 seconds.
* Smoke Bomb now lasts for 5 seconds, down from 10 seconds.

Talent Specializations
Combat

* Main Gauche (Mastery) now provides a chance to deal an attack for 75% of main-hand damage. This attack can trigger Combat Potency.
* Revealing Strike now increases finisher effectiveness by 35% (45% glyphed), up from 20% (30% glyphed).

Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Curse of Exhaustion now reduces movement speed by 30%, down from 50%.
* Drain Mana has been removed from the game.

Talent Specializations
Affliction

* Unstable Affliction's silence effect has been reduced to 3 seconds, down from 5.

Demonology

* Demonic Rebirth now highlights summoning spells when active.
* Inferno no longer increases the radius of Hellfire.

Destruction

* Shadow and Flame can now proc from Incinerate in addition to Shadow Bolt.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Soul Swap cooldown has been increased to 15 seconds, up from 10 seconds.

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Charge now shares diminishing returns with stun effects.
* Cleave damage has been reduced by 20%.
* Heroic Strike damage has been reduced by 20%.

Talent Specializations
Arms

* Juggernaut no longer increases the cooldown on Charge, but instead increases the duration of the Charge stun by 2 seconds. In addition, Charge is usable in all stances, however, the talent now causes Charge and Intercept to share a cooldown.
* Lambs to the Slaughter: Instead of granting 10/20/30% damage to the next Mortal Strike, Overpower, or Execute, it now grants a 10% buff to any Mortal Strike, Overpower, Slam, or Execute that stacks 1/2/3 times.
* War Academy no longer buffs Heroic Strike or Cleave. It now buffs Mortal Strike, Raging Blow, Devastate, Victory Rush and Slam.

Fury

* Unshackled Fury (Mastery) now grants 5.6% benefit per mastery point, up from 4.7%.

Glyphs

* Glyph of Rapid Charge has been changed from a 7% reduction to Charge's cooldown, to 1 second off of the cooldown. This change is primarily to clarify the exact cooldown reduction this glyph provides.

Professions
Cooking

* Multiple spawn locations now exist for the Confectioner's Sugar (daily quest item) in Stormwind.

Items

* Bell of Enraging Resonance can now trigger from any damage spell instead of only critical strike.
* The Fury of Angerforge internal cooldown has been drastically reduced so this trinket will build up charges much faster.
* Mandala of Stirring Patterns now grants Intellect instead of Mastery.
* The PvP Priest 4-piece set bonus has been redesigned. When Power Word: Shield is cast on the priest, movement speed reduction effects are temporally suppressed for 4 seconds.

User Interface

* For opening cinematics there is now a streaming option interface in the login screen for play-on-demand.
* The Character Info window (C) now saves for each specialization how stat categories are ordered by players, as well as whether categories are expanded/collapsed.
* Character movement speed is now displayed on the Character Info window (C) with all other stats.

Archaeology

* There are now number displays on the summary page and dropdown menu.
* Ready Flash has been added to the race icons.

Guild Interface

* A View All button has been added to the profession display regardless of whether Show Offline Members is checked.
* Online members can now be sorted to the top of the View Crafters list.
* The guild reputation cap is now displayed in the tooltip.

Real ID & Chat

* Real ID login notifications now include character and game icons.
* Players can now right-click close a chat window tab even if it's not the current tab.
* There is now an option to auto-pop whispers into a new tab.
* Popped out whisper windows now show online/offline status messages.

Bug Fixes

* Many bugs... handled them!

Quests & Creatures
Tol Barad Peninsula

* A new achievement, Just Another Day in Tol Barad, has been added for completing all of the Tol Barad daily quests.
* Crazed Guards now drop Rusty Rifles.
* The spawn rate of Alliance and Horde Infantry for the quest "The Leftovers" has been increased.
* The Magnetized Scrap Collector for the quest "Magnets, How Do They Work?" will now be correctly removed from players' bags upon completing the quest.
* Both the Baradin's Wardens and Hellscream's Reach Commendations are now Bound to Account items.

Bug Fixes

* Worgen now work properly in the Barbershop.

_KzD_ #6741 Ene '11

Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3.
Nourish is now trained at level 8, down from level 78.

Deberían quitar HT directamente xD

Omen of Clarity can no longer trigger from helpful spells (aka heals), unless the Restoration talent Malfurion's Gift is chosen.

Ok, ahora cambia mucho la cosa a como lo habíais puesto en #6712

Mystee #6742 Ene '11

#6741 El HT se sigue usando y mucho y cambiar lo cambia nada, el clearcast seguia siendo el mismo, solo que lo han aclarado porque no estaba muy ... claro.

_KzD_ #6743 Ene '11

#6742

Pues yo solo lo tengo para emergencias, con la macro de NS + HT, es el único uso que le doy, para todo lo demás nourish/regrowth.

En los otros patch notes no aclaraba el tema del talento, así que como comprenderás me lleve un buen susto xD

Mystee #6744 Ene '11

#6743 Cuando el Nourish no cura lo suficiente, vaya cuando la gente come demasiado un HT puede salvar xD pero dejemos de hablar de druidas que teniamos nuestro thread xD

PiTiFiNi #6745 Ene '11 Maker Creativo

Drain Mana has been removed.

Boom! HeadShot!
Cada vez me alegro mas de no seguir haciendo pvp con el lock.

ManOwaR #6746 Ene '11 Cofrade

Eso estaba cantado, hay algunas clases que lo pasan muy mal con el mana, para que encima se lo chupen.

Aunque el mejor nerf al lock es "* Inferno no longer increases the radius of Hellfire.", ahora les podrán sapear/abrir en condiciones.

Eleghor #6747 Ene '11

#6745 Lo que hay que leer. xDDD
Si me dices que eres hunter, vale, pero LOCK, osea, WTF.

xXxHarlockxX #6748 Ene '11 :psyduck:

Osea, le dan el puto BL a magos y hunters y como estan poco over esas 2 clases pam, a tomar por culo BL, no se puede usar en arenas, pero hola tio?

Nerves #6749 Ene '11

#6748 El hunter está mazo over.

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Triku #6750 Ene '11

El BL nunca debia de haber existido en arenas, ya lo siento si alguna clase se a quedado mas "coja" (en AJ dicen q el spriest y el enchancement) con esta perdida, que lo compense blizzard por otro lado. Pero el BL era entre otras cosas uno de los factores que dificultaban el balanceo entre clases y setups. Si alguien no quiere ver esto alla el.

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